via youtube.com. It feeds on their connection to the force.. Also any power he gained was because Revan needed to run around like a blind puppy and use the ritual to bring him back from the verge of death (another terrible plot). Nihilus literally killing the entire jedi order on Katarr is somehow less than that? @miirtek Interesting. Typical, I get flagged for being a troll due to a disagreement. He devoured Traya's connection to the force, leaving her completely weakened. The only possible win scenario for Nihilus is if Valkorion is susceptable to force drain. It be almost amusing to see Valk try and mind game his way out of that one. >"Vitiate can also overwhelm several Jedi Knights and Masters with Force Storm and energy attacks, a feat solidly beyond Nihilus' abilities" What ?. Wikis are notoriously unreliable and you using one in a debate is laughable. Wow! Yup, desecrating Ziost while in his weakened spirit form in the span of minutes without a ritual definitely means he can't drain planets without rituals. @banthabot: I'm interested in hearing why you think that. I give you the same respect I get in return. And Nihilus is death itself. So LLLLLLLL. Regardless of the disparity present between them, Revan is the better of the two, and that’s my point. So Valk casting Force Resistance isn't going to work. Because sidious did what they could not, and you highly underestimate the power of sidious. While Nihilus can do it at any moment he pleases to anything uncontested and with ease. All the moves he showcases can be done more effectively by lot more competent force wielders that don't need to be disembodied. And second he is consistent character, unlike Vitiate/Valk. The wound in the force that gave him his power consumed his body. Yeah gonna start crying because I said rape? Well, that changes everything doesn't it! @dawn_of_ages: Literally every source, the context of the game, the premise behind life draining. I'll take your immediate concession for Ad hominem appeal to probability and ad nuasum. one-shotting a character who overpowered the above character and virtually ragdolling him. @azronger: Interesting passage, that does lend credence to Valkorion's defense. Darth Nihilus, also known as the Lord of Hunger, is an antagonist in Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II – The Sith Lords. Vitiate simply didn't accomplish the same level of feat. "This technique blinds your enemy to the Force with a wall of light, a permanent blockage if you so choose, rendering him unable to use Jedi powers. I'll take my uncontested win against every opposition. If you are polite and civil I'll do my best to be, if you aren't I won't. By GOD, you are the dumbest miscreant in this thread atm. None of those feats compare to anything Nihilus has done, even at his weakened/him not at full power state. That quote doesn't refer to Ziost or prime Vitiate but rather pre prime Vitiate. "He did it not with weapon or machines" Roughly was the statement by her if you ask her about her master and planet to the point where you get this dialogue. Sever Force simply blocks your connection to the Force with light side energy: "It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves... it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes. Nihilus used Sever Force, not Force Drain. Acting as if Vitiate being stronger or weaker here makes a difference is false. The guy would lose badly to people way way weaker than Vitiate. Also, while it shows he can resist it to a degree, does it necessarily mean he can resist planet-wide draining, if perhaps only some of the attack was trying to consume him? Logically he wouldn't need to be full strength do utilize his knowledge LOL. 0 ... And Darth Nihilus doesn't have a physical form anymore. @frankenmidget: @wollfmyth209: He is canonically immune to planet-level drain. "He cares nothing for the Sith or its teachings… or the Jedi. When he first orchestrated the rite on the planetNathema,[1] Vitiate drew upon the strength of eight thousand other Sith Lords,[3] and it took ten days to complete in its entirety. There, that emphasised enough for your small brain to handle. >"and his tutaminis (or force field) can block lightsaber strikes." The Dark Field only consumes beings of their life-force, not eats them entirely or planets. Feat wise powerscaling wise statement wise, Nihilus>Every single name mentioned in this thread. I am denying the existence of that statement to start with so you really haven't even gotten anywhere. Both Nihilus and Vitiate were extremely powerful Sith lords who both were responsible for many deaths. Otherwise this is a casual affair for the most interesting man in the world. Again, Vitiate being weakened is irrelevant. Tenebraethe Sith Lord Darth Vitiate who was known to his reconstituted Sith Empire as the Sith Emperor and to his Eternal Empire as Valkorionwas an ancient dark side entity of enormous power who manipulated galactic affairs for 1,500 years. That argument is trash and isn't substantiated in any medium. While also passively causing force users to go insane and causing death with his mere presence. and ripped a damn star destroyer from the orbit of a massive gravity well? Darth Nihilus, he would devour Revan dead in seconds. And no, shutting of an engine from space isn't even comparable. And also the Dark Field doesn't consume entirely a planet of Force; it merely leaves husks sucked dry. Only thing that is left is his presence. Nihilus telekinetically ripping a 1200 meter centurion-class battlecruiser out of a gravity well is one of the greatest telekinetic feats in the SW mythos. Don't make that claim. @breakofdawn: Sorry you loons are so similar it's hard to tell your ignorance apart. I notice several contradictions in your argument btw. First off you haven't provided any proof Nihilus can destroy a planet with a thought and secondly Vitiate being pre-prime is relevant because you were using that as a direct comparison as to why Nihilus wins. @zapan871: The Book of the Sith states when you're using a Death Field, it will try to consume the user as well. That is why I call you a hypocrite because you address Vitiate for something Nihilus already did while throwing Nihilus under the bus. It is difficult. Traya also taught Revan LOL. Simple. Being weakened is completely irrelevant when regarding someones ability to preform a ritual, as it pertains to their knowledge, not their power. Let me know in the comments below! Nihilus vs Vitiate FanFiction STAR WARS Discussion. The more powerful someone is with the force the greater his power is to consume them. @ysmir: I am not getting banned, less he gets banned for the same LOL. HE CAN EAT PLANETS FOR DINNER! First of all. I'm pretty sure Valkorion can't drain Nihilus, since it would likely be similar to when Nihilus tried to drain Meetra. It's like if I said Valkorion could kill Sidious if he drained 5 more planets. Has Vitiate done anything similar with telekinesis? Nihilus also required worlds with strong Force energy, otherwise the backlash of the attempt would weaken him. On the other hand, Drain seems to ignore one's Force power, given that it can be used on far more powerful opponents. Despite Valkorion's superior knowledge, he dies. Pure comedy. ...That doesn't even make sense but keep your weird delusions. It's not sever force. @emperor339: I thought Traya stated that "There are techniques within the Force against which there is no defense"? Nihilus wins 0/10 difficulty, enough with the over hype of this wannabe palpatine. So your argument is that Nihilus is a better written character? Yeah, he drained Ziost in the span of minutes, affecting the planet's outer core and destroying all life on it, without a ritual (As explicitly noted by the codex). >Demands the opposition be polite and civil. Furthermore OOU sources are canon fact, in universe sources are from fallible characters. No, with Nihilus it is relevant because his feats actually are derived from his own ability rather than a ritual. Also Valk doesn't use force drain. Nonsense. He one-shotted a Meetra Surik level opponent? YOU ARE WRONG. Also none of those names mean a single thing at all, throwing out names won't help you or anyone elses arguments. It seems to fit how Krayt's use of drain in beyond shadows hurt Abeloth, Luke, and him. via wikia.nocookie.net. It cannot be taught... it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand. Also idk how literally seeing and hearing the event=false in this context, you literally just on the basis that characters can be wrong are invalidating a first hand statement from a primary source. ", Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords. Well someone's getting banned. You can "get lost" while you're at it. I've seen you around as well and you're not much smarter if at all than my Friend Jacen. Even if you are right, Nihilus also has displayed feats beyond Yoda and the likes by a massive degree. ", "secondly Vitiate being pre-prime is relevant because you were using that as a direct comparison as to why Nihilus wins.". "He did it not with weapon or machines" Roughly was the statement by her if you ask her about her master and planet to the point where you get this dialogue. But I am enjoying the sh!t-show. [1]" This literally addressed Ziost LOL. So it's relevant when it's Nihilus but not relevant when it's Vitiate. Thanks again everyone, my head-canon for this story was that Visas was killed, along with Mandalore on the Ravager when she pledged herself Nihilus (she falls when she goes to face him on the Ravager) - because Nihilus commands that she kill them to prove her loyalty. It's becoming even more apparent due to the fact that Inquisitor seems to have forgotten 'Force walk' that alone should have silence Valk. Regardless don't respond. Darth Nihilus. So it would be a battle of wills. Nihilus has superior ap beyond drain as well. And the only reason he couldn't do that; is because Abeloth also Force-drained him. [2] Upon the ritual's completion, the Sith magic expanded across the globe as a wave of energy[4] and literally stripped the Force from the targeted planet[1] in less than a minute,[4]killing all living beings instantly and transferring their life force and power into Vitiate. Because he did it with his own power, he did it in with a gesture? I declare Round 4 (Darth Traya vs Plagueis) a draw. The irony of you calling my arguments trash whilst giving some of the most appalling and dishonest debating I've ever seen, displaying total inability to read what I'm saying all to hype up your favourite character Nihilus. @emperor339: I didn't notice the meme at first: maybe it didn't load onto my screen fast enough? @arkhamasylum3: "Amazingly dark and devastating powers are the purview of some of the greatest Sith Lords of the Knights of the Old Republic era. Even then, Valkorion's feats of being able to intervene in the Outlander's battles while Zakuul knights and others are frozen suggests he might be able to blitz Nihilus with force powers. He is a weak character that relied upon rituals to gain anything and that took him 1000 years... and he has nothing to show for it. While Vitiate isn't and is fully susceptible to drain. Go cry liberal. I mean, you broke several rules in this thread alone so... yeah. But the Immortal Emperor does win, for he is more powerful by accolades and hype. 3 Can Beat: Darth Malak. Raven's closest friend and fiercest enemy at different times of his path, … @jacensolo77: Again, Ad Nauseum, stop repeating already refuted claims. The Sith just need to move their select heavy hitters such as Palpatine (Dark Empire), Darth Nihilus (KoTOR II), Tenebrae (The Sith Emperor), and The Dread Masters, to a spaceborne platform above the planet, and then watch the show. one-shotting a character who could overload an asylum's generators from orbit despite being close to the planet as a void. @ysmir: And flagged for trolling and using inflammatory language. If I have to deal with your ramblings you should have enough sense to tag the person you're replying to. ", ―Power Beyond Belief: Using Ultra-Powerful Sith Lords in Saga Edition. And so on. The fight takes place in an abandoned Jedi Temple. A powerful Jedi can block a Force-user's access to the Force, preventing them from accessing Force skills or Force feats. Just amused, and returning the favour. Forgive me if I'm not impressed. Also I can argue that Nihilus could destroy planets with his force crushing abilities alone (implied by Tobin and some guides) but I won't for now, because lifting the ravager from a gravity well which was so powerful as to warp space to a notable degree, and could crush ships who were moving away at escape velocity in an instant, Nihilus counteracted that in a massively lesser form than what we see in game. Feel lucky I even addressed you proper? And by the way the merit of ones title does not concern the merit of ones worth. ... 1 Darth Vitiate. I am in class current, can't reply to this garbage till later. Every one of them. Seeing as the servers have crashed, I decided I may as well roll out Round 5. >Vitiate can only do shit with rituals while at peak. And it is the most devastating attack possible using the powers of the light side. Rape is a word, grow up. Get lost LMFAO. one-shotting arguably the most powerful member of the Dark Council with a casual lightning blast. Now at this point I grow tired from addressing the same nonsensical bullshit I did literally a week ago. Needs an elaborate ritual to drain a planet as well as a force nexus to help him. However, Vitiate's ritual made him immortal, while Nihilus was going to be consumed by his hunger. Nihilus draaaaaainz! You say that Vitiate got so much stronger by draining planets which he did, but the same goes for Nihilus, so the argument is trash to start with. @wollfmyth209: Valkorion is immune to Drain? But keep it up, it's quite entertaining. Ripping out a million tonned+ object from a gravity well and being able to sustain it at massively faster than light speeds with absolute ease. You either survive it or you don't. @arkhamasylum3: @arkhamasylum3:Good luck with your studies btw. You're the dishonest rate here son. If he goes for TK, Valkorion will be in trouble, as Nihilus has some of the most insane TK feats in the mythos. In this Star Wars Versus, we are pitting Darth Revan up against Darth Nihilus. REFERS TO ZIOST. Ziost was not Force Drain . Krayt wasn't using a Dark Field at all(given the explanation of that technique); he just tried to drain Abeloth's essence. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. - Source: Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side. Palpatine (in my opinion) is the most powerful Sith so he should be able to resist the force drain and take him down. Also him being weakened is irrelevant it was a ritual which wouldn't logical make a difference if he was or not, not to mention again, it wouldn't even work. I've got some news for you pal, Nihilus is weak as hell compared to Vitiate. Because it was derived from a RITUAL. 3. @wollfmyth209: @azronger: Do you think he knows the technique to resist Force Drain? Where was this stated in the rules? Regardless Nihilus the coolest Sith lord imo. Also Vitiate/Valk has demonstrated no Force Drain. Also nice strawman, Vitiate being weakened is irrelevant because he is doing a ritual which isn't a byproduct of his power. WHICH IS ELABORATE. And I don't just mean a lot of stock. @ysmir: I'm not referring to Nathema lol, that was centuries before Vitiate's prime. It's why when he was tricked into trying to feed on the planet Telos, he recoiled since the planet was still mostly dead thanks to Darth Malak bombarding the planet years earlier, leaving very, very little life left. Still, could part of his immunity have been part of being an incorporeal being at the time? Ok it was stated he would destroy the galaxy with his presence at his strongest. Begone.". Keep quiet or I'll murder you as well. Furthermore Nilihus needed to bombard planets prior to draining them, Vitiate drained a planet while in his weakened spirit form in a matter of minutes without a ritual. I honestly have no idea why are you so impressed with Nihilus. The ONLY one. I apologize if I come off as aggressive, it's just how I go about things. I'm not going to be online for a week due to studies and probably won't get back to this. FUCKING. Darth Nihilus. That text LITERALLY. Bump. Darth Nihilus benefited much from the tutelage of Darth Traya nevertheless but his physiology began to suffer and crumble due to heavy application(s) of Force Drain in his exploits. Vitiate literally only can do shit via rituals LOL, ELABORATE. Shit tier debating performed by a shit tier debater. If you paid any attention to the context of Luke, Abeloth, and Krayt. So Darth Nihilus is, at best, approaching or rivaling *some* of the ancient Sith, which Vitiate is the most powerful of, by virtue of his superiority to KotOR Revan, who a superior of Darth Malak, who is likewise “far” more powerful than Exar Kun, who destroyed Freedon Nadd (spirit) who was (reportedly) far more powerful than Naga Sadow. Anyways, I'll address the actual proper argumentative person soon as I as well have studies and finals soon. He is not really referred as a sith like how Sidious was, he is a singularity in the force. Stop omitting context and learn how to debate properly lol. Now at this point I grow tired from addressing the same nonsensical bullshit I did literally a week ago. Darth Nihilus vs Darth Sidious # Darth Sidious Darth Nihilus struggles against people with similar if not superior power to his own. It seems to fit how Krayt's use of drain in beyond shadows hurt Abeloth, Luke, and him. Vitiate needed an elaborate ritual to do both of his planet wiping feats, the latter being slightly more impressive due to him not needing 8000 sith lords this time, but he stills needs mass sacrifice and an elaborate ritual to do so. "OOU Source>IU Source always." And Darth Nihilus doesn't have a physical form anymore. Of course you are entitled to your own opinion but I am not sure what is it based off of, aside from overhyped showing that is not that impressive when you look at details. I've seen you around as well and you're not much smarter if at all than my Friend Jacen. But these euphoric moments of content were short-lived, as his cravings soon … Basic common sense appears to allude you, however, so I understand why this might be a difficult concept for you to grasp. Er hoffte, in den alten Sith-Monumenten Rat … Also any statements or instances of Vitiate draining a planet without a ritual? Have a nice day in Kindergarten. Which likely means that it only rejuvenates him, not necessarily make him stronger than ever. The aforementioned revelation ALIGN with that of Mr. Chris Avellone that Revan was superior to Darth Traya in understanding the aspects of Drain Force. [1] The Sith Emperor, as Vitiate became known, was later able to perform the ritual on his own with his incredible strength in the Force, though he required a sacrifice—the simultaneous deaths of thousands—in order to begin the Sith magic. RITUALS. But now, for the Final Round: Darth Nihilus vs Lord Vitiate (AKA The Emperor). Yeah Meetra Surik the one who was comparable to Revan and was one of his generals in the war? Regardless, Vitiate never preformed the feat either, both where stated but never done, and at their strongest Nihilus would mop the floor with him, and Nihilus was approaching his strongest before he got massively weakened 3 times on the ravager. Last word being the key word. Hands down the greatest Sith of all time, Darth Vitiate was one of the galaxies most feared and dangerous threats. 5 Darth Nihilus. -----2. Vitiate literally only can do shit via rituals LOL, ELABORATE. Also any statements or instances of Vitiate draining a planet without a ritual? Vitiate unleashed a planet-wide Death Field, and resisted it, so he's confirmed to be able to resist Nihilus' drain, which is also planetary. Visas was at the sight of the entire event. You on the other hand are unironically this serious about fictional characters. He bombarded them then drained them after (ie: he didn't use machines to drain them). Meaning Nihilus force rapes him in 0.000001 seconds do to passive drain. All he cared about was consumption of life, and everyone knew this. Nihilus wasn't a true sith to begin with, well rather he was sith but not by conventional means. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. @ysmir: Yeah, we're done here. I'm referring to ZIOST. I don't even know what you're addressing". Why am I not surprised? DRAW (ALL) Jedi to one planet, and distract them with a large number of Sith on the surface. That would imply you've done anything but lie through your teeth, you haven't refuted jack shit. "Appeal to authority is a common type of fallacy, or an argument based on unsound logic. That statement was born of Traya's own experiences; she's not omniscient. wiping out all life in a skyscraper's proximity with his lightning despite being heavily weakened. "It is fully relevant seeing as these rituals are elaborate, meaning he can't just pull it out of his ass and do the ritual. All you did was give CV's worst debating post and show that you can't even read properly. Also, wtf is "multi ton million tk"? He is terribly written sue and comes back only because BW needs a cliche bad guy to fight for as long as EA wants to milk out more monthly 10-15min chapters. Appeal to authority, anyways. ...KF Anakin level and only a decent way off Yoda/Sidious/Mace tier... @ysmir:At least have the decency to tag me in your responses. >Desecrating Ziost was performed without a ritual while weakened. Your haven't addressed shit, I grow tired from your never ending stupidity. But at least one of you can remain civil and not Ad hominem. I hope I didn't stutter. "The Sith Emperor, as Vitiate became known, was later able to perform the ritual on his own with his incredible strength in the Force, though he required a sacrifice—the simultaneous deaths of thousands—in order to begin the Sith magic." Okay then, appeal to probability, burden of poof, etc. @azronger: Planetary means it literally kills an entire planet(like, destroying it), killing all life on a planet is more of a multi-continental range thing, tbh. Interesting passage, that does lend credence to Valkorion's defense. But both have been resisted before. But as any number of contagions ravaged his body, a new, rampant feeling of emptiness filled his being and consumed what was left of his humanity, encouraging him to "feed" by devouring the very life energy from another being to sate it. Valkorion 10/10. Nihilus devours people's connection to the force. Being weakened is completely irrelevant when regarding someones ability to preform a ritual, as it pertains to their knowledge, not their power. That argument is trash and isn't substantiated in any medium. My scaling so far goes Valkorion >/= Sidious = Yoda > Mace (very small gap) >/= KF Vader (the gap is pretty small) > Outlander/unchained Vaylin > Revan, but I don't have it set in stone. Nihilus also has better force lift feats as well, not to mention all of Nihilus feats were preformed pre prime by a massive margin. it was his own attack. I hope you are also joking, Nihilus literally with a thought can destroy a planet, and this was also pre prime, in fact Nihilus never reached his prime. Genuine question. ", Source: Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force. Vitiate literally only can do shit via rituals LOL, ELABORATE. Sad. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. 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