If you want to argue why you think that is silliness, argue with someone who disagrees. Feel free to tell me what you think is silly, but there's no point in your telling me what I believe. It is symptomatic of delusional thought disorder - a serious mental illness. I remember walking toward the galley (the dining room), which was in the basement of what is now Celebrity Centre in Los Angeles, trying to digest what I had just learned. In my case it is because I spent several years and lots of money getting an education in theology, only to have many people totally miscatagorize what it is that I studied or believe. Random individuals do all kinds of dumb and selfish things. Actually, it is no different to many "Religious" organisations - and Hubbard himself was against the "conversion" to a "Religion". Here I had finally made it to the Wall of Fire, I had just been given the Secrets of the Universe. L.Ron was a con artist, rip-off, boat thief, wife stealer, backstabbing a**hole & crap sci-fi writer. Shame too, because some of them are actually good. In practical terms, religion has had no better track record for quantifiable improvements to the human standard of living than comparable secular organizations and they've had several thousand years' head start. Religions are superstitious fantasy cults mostly founded on bronze-age myths and followers of them are mentally ill, like schizophrenics. This is in no way a endorsement for christianity, I think it is one of the greatest wrongs ever visited upon mankind. I was just saying its scary when groups like this manage to get a lot of power and start pushing their agenda on the rest of us, like the Mormon Church did with Proposition 9. Granted, both are horrible, but at its worst, Scientology can only be "charged" with fraud, brainwashing, and trespassing/stalking. all kinds of religion must stop immeadiatly imo.. this nonsence does more harm than good. There is something about the subject of power that unleashes Gibney as a filmmaker, as his films on Enron and Wikileaks have revealed. But then in 1950 he published Dianetics, the perpetual bestseller in which he helped invent the principles of the therapeutic ‘self-help’ books that grew hugely popular by the 1970s. All you have to do to be a member is: "the church keeps the heat up on these heretics.". Scientology and Mewas a television documentary broadcast 14 May 2007 as part of the BBC's Panorama series. I think I have finally found a use for the Dark Side of the Moon... hey Mr. Cruz your rocketship is fueled and ready to launch, and there is room enough for all your dumb little buddies. oh and @ keith When groups like Scientology and the Mormon church have cash coming out the a*s, I'd say we should all be a bit scared! It has been a long time since I heard this type of deep thought and willingness to examine objections from others without getting angry when dealing with religion. And they always seem to conveniently use the majority of the donated money to expand their real estate and marketing portfolios or to hire more staff, not change the world for the better or help the extremely destitute. 2. The point I think is that these people had to get there ideas about God or more precisely about no God from somewhere; I would be hesitate to say that conversation in some form or another with those around them would have no role in influencing their thoughts. Go ahead folks. Every day, people learn how to help others and do so and all are better off as a result. I am sure that he felt betrayed by God as well, seeing that his father had been so devoted and such a big part of helping so many people and then died as he did. and put him in an electronic When through with his crime Loyal Officers You and I have essentially had this same conversation before. They poured money into anti-gay rights, and got Proposition 9 passed, they've also turned the boy-scouts into a religious group that echoes the churches most basic tenets, that is scary! As I want have the tools to be able to help those who want to bring out the best in themselves so they can do the same for others, I am a Scientologist. It’s a classic mafia tactic. the filmmaker is not, in any sense, deep. "Main stream religions" are just older, bigger cults. This essay by Bob Minton describes the Scientology world-view that emerges from OT III. As well as friends there are enemies, and Scientology’s foes are sometimes vast, like the US Internal Revenue Service. Preach good things about ALIEN-TOLOGY Scientology is a life destroying organizational cult and needs to be put out of business for good, and its leaders locked up in prison for the rest of their thieving harmful self serving fraudulent lives. Scientology denied sending PIs after the BBC. THERE YOU GO.... AAAHHHHHAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHA I just pissed myself laughing. Nonetheless, all the negatives are inevitable effects of external self-identifiers employed for the purpose of embellishing one's sense of identity. My friend said "Scientology is stupid" and when I took up a video about Christian people being healed and saying "oh lord! The hole concept of "clearing the mind" isn't a uncommon goal religions around nor a stupid idea at all. Is it a religion? Especially in this country and with this corrupt bunch of lazy lawyers running it. But Going Clear makes a powerful case that he came up with a cure that only made it worse. They thought they deserved to be punished. There are those who forward only that kind of stuff to intentionally make it look bad. Before you have anything to say about my post, check out this link: [link removed]. I'm not campaigning that anyone outlaw Scientology. The Narconon or Criminon thing - if you want to draw an analogy, Mennonites have a worldwide relief and development arm called Mennonite Central Committee. mountain trap where he still but I am really hoping you will join us atheists/agnostic or belief in a deity rather than a theity. If one's religion makes him or her kind and generous, a pat on the back to them, but the tenets of their supernatural beliefs are still silly, and you don't get a "get out of rational analysis free" card just for being nice. It was a profound turning point for me. Please. Requiring that your members pay fees to is not a religion. Yet what’s most resonant about the film is that, like Scientology itself, it speaks to the tendencies of our age. Christianity has proven over the years to be much MUCH more evil of a religion. I mean religion can't just pop out and gain such huge influence without having some followers that are referred to as cult or sect. @ Sebastian Veldman: sorry for the delay. They insist on trying to force their inherited stupidity on others. People should learn to be accountable for themselves instead of being sheep. So they read the Bible while praying to God for understanding of the text as he would have them interpret it. its got an insider from the church who has now left and is still a scientologist but doesn't agree with the way the church is run. What a bunch of thoroughly pathetic brainwashed individuals; unable to think for themselves and willingly stupid enough to get involved then complaining after they've been exploited; victims of their own delusional belief system. I've gotten a lot out this doc. You said, "But the negative things that Scientology does reflect more subtle elements that are present in many “normal” religious communities as well. The "church" wants respect but does nothing to GIVE it. He used is mystery. scientology is a big fat, juicy leech, sucking up the lifesblood of suckers. These guys running around filming the Panorama team seem to think they're doing their religion a favour, but actually are exposing it for what it is and contributing to its poor reputation... so stupid. So, I am not going to tell you what to think, you can go and look for yourself and see what positives you can see and get an accurate picture. I would also agree that the two religions, scientology and christianity, are not comparable. They will probalby use them and their techinques for their own ends. I don't claim that ANY of my beliefs about the supernatural are verifiable, hence I would not attempt to peddle any version of my faith based on that. I did allow myself to think that I didn't understand what he was talking about. I find it fitting how this "me centered" cult promotes gain on financial contribution. Anyway this along with our conversation over the last couple of days has really started making me question myself which is always a good thing. He also taught very simple truths about human relationships and wisdom that is profound to enough to have common threads in many major religions - as opposed to an infinitely complex cosmology and methodoly. @ Canadian *shrug* Generalization: Religious belief is certainly not a prerequisite for kindness or generosity or the general desire to improve the world. Scientology is a particularly entertaining case study because members of all the other religions will point out how different and insane Scientologists are, and conveniently overlook the nonsensical things and dubious motivations and actions of their own cosmic feel-good racket. When I put that claim to Rinder, the Scientologist spokersman, he laughed. To use the nuttiness of Scientology to impugn other world religions, for all their faults, is weak logic folks. Not to say I think scientology are all perfect, but certainly not all bad either, not proved bad i.e. In thier original and pure forms though, they are beautiful- this is why i studied theology. A cult? Same story. Anyway, the fact is there are good atheists and bad atheists. Thanks Adolf,... now I'll never join your weird self-centered egocentric freak filled circus CULT ! and looks like you are willing to looking beyond the christian framework (without original sin, the sacrifice is Jesus does not make much sense). Look at Christianity man! Wars wars wars and more wars. The twisted genius of L Ron Hubbard is that he figured out a way to define and exploit contemporary soul sickness. It got to be something about the aliens. If people here would keep religion in its place and politics in its proper place, I would be totally fine with religion in general. You claim it's impossible for L. Ron Hubbard to have researched for 50 years and to have come up with nothing, but that contradicts Charles Dawrin researching for a similar amount of time and coming up with things that directly contradict L. Ron Hubbard, if time spent was the only requirement for results in research the world would be quite different from what it is today, and L. Ron Hubbard would have a lot more evidence to show if he actually did come up with something tangible. The head of the Galactic its a bumper crop of mushroom-heads, pegging clear stinko on the f-meter. There were no histrionics from John Sweeney this time but a second look at Scientology underlined the insidious aspects of the controversial organization. Why is it when you walk into an establishment of scientology, ( I have done this) They try to sell you help. Haggis, a Scientologist for 35 years before his highly publicised break with the Church in 2009, tells us how incredibly good an audit session could make him feel, as if he’d purged himself of all his toxins. This film is backed by Scientology. Hubbard wound up a sea-faring outlaw on the run from US tax officials, and in Going Clear he emerges as a broken dictator who founded a religion based on control because he was so desperate to control his own demons. Going Clear unpeels Scientology layer by layer via testimony from former high-level Church officials who have never spoken up before. Okay EZ, relax. 1) In the Old testament it is a sin for for a slave to escape his bondage because that would be stealing from the master. You have a right to believe whatever goofy things you want, and I'm glad they inspire you to be a better person and offer you some form of comfort in the uncertainties of life. Help to build our spaceship. They do disaster relief and all kinds of other long term work around the world. His name was Xenu. A useful form of therapy? I believe that if it is not experiential than it is not terribly useful. this was, after all, a documentary ... wasn't it? Two thumbs down. Flashbacks to his previous investigation were overused and there was no scene capable of reaching the infamy of his red-faced screaming fit. In addition, the document displayed on this web page was authenticated by Helena Kobrin, lawyer for Scientology's Religious Technology Center, in a letter sent to Carnegie Mellon's legal counsel on January 24, 1997. 1. Evolution is too about the origin of life. Concentration on the Xenu thing is simply an effort to make it look stupid by taking the most unreal thing and highlighting it. The whole "museum" is a well done "attraction" that speaks out against mental illness and claims that psychiatry is murder & that mental illness is not real, etc. 2. I had to restrain the urge to wipe my hands over my whole body to get them off!". This website deserve's a Nobel prize for all the knowledge it delivers to the internet age! The technology is there to be used and can be done without ever setting foot in a Church. The ringleaders need to be assraped then sent to death camps and gassed. It’s called ALIEN-TOLOGY. Glad we could we could agree, and be civil. You mean to tell me that if I was a scientogolist and therefore a certified psycho with a stamp on my forehead to denote this achievemnet that I would only be allowed to marry another certified psycho card carrying scientologist ? that's not the issue, neither is religion bad or good. If you are enjoying some aspects of Scientology, you are probably just a good person and can do this on your own, by just meeting other, non-affiliated, like-minded people, not attached to such a controlling, rediculous looking religion. 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